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		<title>The Top 10 Tigers Stories of 2008: #9 &#8211; Edgar Renteria Can&#8217;t Play</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike McClary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, it hurt when the Tigers sent Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez to the Braves for Edgar Renteria. There was some &#8212; i.e., a tad &#8212; concern about Jurrjens&#8217; durability and, well, to get a player of Renteria&#8217;s caliber at such a vital position you have to part with some value.
We know how that worked [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.dailyfungo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/imagesnumber9.jpg" alt="Number 9" border="0" width="173" height="174" align="right" vspace="15" hspace="10">Sure, it hurt when the Tigers sent <strong>Jair Jurrjens</strong> and <strong>Gorkys Hernandez</strong> to the Braves for <a href="http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121074"><strong>Edgar Renteria</strong></a>. There was some &#8212; i.e., a tad &#8212; concern about Jurrjens&#8217; durability and, well, to get a player of Renteria&#8217;s caliber at such a vital position you have to part with some value.</p>
<p>We know how that worked out.</p>
<p>In 2007, Edgar Renteria hit .332 with 12 homers and a .390 on-base percentage. The most glaring part of the Failed Renteria Experiment was his .977 fielding percentage; but that tells only half the story. His fielding percentage was virtually .000 on balls he should&#8217;ve had. He and <strong>Miguel Cabrera </strong>and then <strong>Carlos Guillen</strong> helped give the Tigers one of the most ineffective left-sides of the infield in the majors.</p>
<p>If not for a strong second-half of the year, Renteria would&#8217;ve finished nearly 80 points below his &#8216;07 average. (He batted .254 before the All Star Game, .296 after.)</p>
<p>Now <a href="http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081204&#038;content_id=3701954&#038;vkey=news_sf&#038;fext=.jsp&#038;c_id=sf">he&#8217;s the Giants problem</a> &#8212; maybe for two years. For Tigers fans, it only <em>felt</em> like two years that Renteria played in Detroit.</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>No Surprise: Renteria&#8217;s Option Declined</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyfungo.com/2008/09/29/no-surprise-renterias-option-declined/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike McClary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So much for Edgar Renteria&#8217;s beggin&#8217; and pleadin&#8217; for a job on the 2009 Tigers. Word from Dave Dombrowski today is that Detroit won&#8217;t pick up #8&#8217;s option.
Dombrowski wouldn&#8217;t rule out re-signing Renteria as a free agent, but said the club would look at other options.
While the Tigers don&#8217;t have a viable option at short [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.dailyfungo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/imagestrash-bin.jpg" alt="trash bin.jpg" border="0" width="138" height="108" align="right" vspace="15" hspace="10"/>So much for <strong>Edgar Renteria</strong>&#8217;s <strong><a href="http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080928&#038;content_id=3565760&#038;vkey=news_det&#038;fext=.jsp&#038;c_id=det" target="_blank">beggin&#8217; and pleadin&#8217;</a></strong> for a job on the 2009 Tigers. Word from <strong>Dave Dombrowski</strong> today is that <strong><a href="http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080929/SPORTS02/80929053" target="_blank">Detroit won&#8217;t pick up #8&#8217;s option</a></strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dombrowski wouldn&#8217;t rule out re-signing Renteria as a free agent, but said the club would look at other options.</p></blockquote>
<p>While the Tigers don&#8217;t have a viable option at short &#8212; well, they sorta do; <b><a href="http://www.blessyouboys.com" target="_blank">Ian</a></b> and I agree that we could just see <strong>Carlos Guillen</strong> back at short when all is said and done &#8212; but methinks that Dombrowski will be hesitant to bring back Renteria for another dismal season, rubbing more salt into the <strong>Jair Jurrjens</strong> wound. </p>
<p>Another thought: they could deal for the Rockies&#8217; <strong>Clint Barmes</strong> or drop <strong>David Eckstein</strong> into the mix for a year.</p>
<p>Chances are that Renteria will be back in the National League and will somehow manage to hit .330.</p>
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		<title>Enough Already with the Jurrjens Remorse</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyfungo.com/2008/08/20/enough-with-the-jurrjens-remorse-already/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike McClary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night Armando Galarraga made his 22nd start of the year for the Tigers, defeating the Rangers 11-3 and improving his record to 12-4 and 3.17 ERA. As little as thereâ€™s been to cheer about this season, one would think that Galarragaâ€™s emergence as a bona fide starter would be one of them. Instead, Tigers [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.dailyfungo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/imagesballhand.jpg" border="0" alt="BallHand.jpg" hspace="10" vspace="15" width="213" height="141" align="right" />Last night <strong>Armando Galarraga</strong> made his 22nd start of the year for the Tigers, <strong><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280819113" target="_blank">defeating the Rangers 11-3</a></strong> and improving his record to 12-4 and 3.17 ERA. As little as thereâ€™s been to cheer about this season, one would think that Galarragaâ€™s emergence as a bona fide starter would be one of them. Instead, Tigers fans seem more fixated on a 22-year-old pitcher <strong><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=280820121" target="_blank">whoâ€™ll make his 25th start tonight at Shea Stadium</a></strong>, the one with an 11-8 record with a 3.15 ERA: <strong>Jair Jurrjens</strong>.</p>
<p>Granted, itâ€™s hard not to think about Jurrjens when <strong>Edgar Renteria</strong> makes an error, lofts another can of corn to left field or otherwise leaves runners stranded. But the reasons &#8212; at the moment they made the deal &#8212; Detroit sent Jurrjens (and outfielder <strong>Gorkys Hernandez</strong>) to Atlanta were a) the Tigers needed an upgrade at shortstop (stop laughing), and b) the organization was pitching rich. Also, there were some concerns about Jurrjens durability.</p>
<p>Bottom line: This trade made perfect sense at the time, less sense when <strong>Andrew Miller</strong>, et al, were shipped to Florida, and <em>no</em> sense when the Tigers find themselves two games under .500 in late August.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too early to say whether Galarraga will be a Jurrjens &#8212; or vice versa &#8212; but knowing that the former&#8217;s likely to be a mainstay on the Tigers staff for the foreseeable future makes watching Jurrjens on TBS a bit more palatable.</p>
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		<title>Tigers Feeling Buyer&#8217;s Remorse?</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyfungo.com/2008/05/08/tigers-feeling-buyers-remorse/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike McClary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other day I sent an instant message to Ian Casselberry asking if, perchance, the Tigers may be feeling some buyer&#8217;s remorse regarding the Miguel Cabrera trade.
I admitted to Ian that it&#8217;s way early but that doesn&#8217;t mean that panic is not setting in everywhere around Comerica Park &#8212; but never at Fungo HQ!
So, I&#8217;m [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.dailyfungo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/imagescarsalesman.jpg" border="0" alt="CarSalesman.jpg" hspace="10" vspace="15" width="178" height="169" align="right" />The other day I sent an instant message to <strong><a href="http://www.blessyouboys.com" target="_blank">Ian Casselberry</a></strong> asking if, perchance, the Tigers may be feeling some buyer&#8217;s remorse regarding the <strong><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7163" target="_blank">Miguel Cabrera</a></strong> trade.</p>
<p>I admitted to Ian that it&#8217;s <em>way</em> early but that doesn&#8217;t mean that panic is <em>not</em> setting in everywhere around Comerica Park &#8212; but never at Fungo HQ!</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m lobbing it out there: Are the Tigers wondering what they signed themselves up for over the next seven years?</p>
<p>Maybe.</p>
<p>Fast-forward to this afternoon and the latest installment of <strong>Jayson Stark</strong>&#8217;s <em><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&amp;id=3386182&amp;campaign=rss&amp;source=MLBHeadlines">Rumblings and Grumblings</a></em> on ESPN.com. This time he reviews the off-season trades and the Tigers&#8217; deals are getting anything but passing grades.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>6. Braves-Tigers</strong> (<em>RHP Jair Jurrjens</em> and <em>OF Gorkys Hernandez</em> for <em>Edgar Renteria</em>): &#8220;At this point, Atlanta has won that deal,&#8221; said one scout. &#8220;Jurrjens [4-2, 2.84] has been their most consistent starter.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ouch.</p>
<p>And if you think that&#8217;s a harsh assessment, get a load of this:</p>
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<blockquote><p><strong>9. Tigers-Marlins</strong> <em>(Miguel Cabrera and LHP Dontrelle Willis for LHP Andrew Miller, OF Cameron Maybin, C Mike Rabelo, RHP Burke Badenhop, RHP Eulogia De La Cruz and RHP Dallas Trahern)</em>: We won&#8217;t be able to judge Florida&#8217;s half of this deal until about 2010. And Willis has been a mess. But the surprise is that Cabrera has been: (a) an offensive disappointment, (b) such a defensive disaster at third base that he had to be shifted to first within three weeks, and (c) so lackadaisical that players on other teams are privately questioning whether he flicked on his cruise-control switch after signing an eight-year, $153.3-million contract this spring. &#8220;I expected him to come in there and be superman,&#8221; said one scout. &#8220;He&#8217;s been anything but that.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ugly stuff.</p>
<p>Ready for more? Each week Stark touches base with big-league scouts on what they are seeing and hearing. It sure looks like <strong>no one</strong> likes what they see from Cabrera.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For $150 million, you&#8217;d like to at least see him run a ball out. I watched him for a week, and I think there was one ball all week where he tried to extend himself. That was a double-play ball, and he was still like 4.8 [seconds] getting down the line. On a routine ground ball, he&#8217;s 5.2, maybe 5.1. It&#8217;s ridiculous to even pull the clock out.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So, is it too soon to call this trade a blunder? Of course it is. And it would be a lot worse if, say, <strong>Cameron Maybin</strong> were tearing up the National League.</p>
<p>But you have to wonder if the Tigers brass is wishing they could take a mulligan&#8230;if not on the mega-deal with the Marlins, then at least on the month of April.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Three-Year Deal Transforms Robertson into Good-Luck Nate</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike McClary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Count me among the delighted that the Tigers locked-up Nate Robertson for three more years at $21.25 million. I&#8217;ve been a fan of Robertson&#8217;s since day one and think the Tigers were wise to secure an essential member of the rotation. 
(If you want to find someone who isn&#8217;t a big Nate fan, look no [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me among the delighted that the Tigers locked-up <strong>Nate Robertson</strong> <a href="http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080116&amp;content_id=2347346&amp;vkey=news_det&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=det">for three more years</a> at $21.25 million. I&#8217;ve been a fan of Robertson&#8217;s since day one and think the Tigers were wise to secure an essential member of the rotation. <img vspace="15" hspace="15" align="right" src="http://naterobertson.mlblogs.com/natemug.jpg"/></p>
<p>(If you want to find someone who <em>isn&#8217;t</em> a big Nate fan, look no further than&#8230;<a href="http://www.blessyouboys.com/story/2008/1/16/22551/3981">here</a>.)</p>
<p>Last fall <a href="http://www.detroittigerspodcast.com/2007/10/22/the-detroit-tigers-podcast-35-talking-tigers-with-lynn-henning-part-i/">I spoke to</a> <strong>Lynn Henning</strong> of the Detroit <em>News</em> and asked him what Robertson&#8217;s long-term prospects were with the Tigers. (Mind you, this was just after <strong>Jair Jurrjens</strong> was sent to Atlanta for <strong>Edgar Renteria</strong> but before the big trade with the Marlins. I thought Robertson could be dangled in an offseason deal.)</p>
<p>My question to Henning: &#8220;Is Robertson, Tough Luck Nate I call him, a Tiger next year?&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Lynn Henning: </strong>Oh, I think heâ€™s definitely a Tiger for next year because he would rank right now as their number-five starter, and probably if heâ€™s your soft spot in rotation, you can live with that any year. </p>
<p>He is Tough Luck Nate. I think the Tigers are a little concerned that Nate has almost resigned to that being his status and pitches in a manner consistent with being a tough-luck guy. I donâ€™t think thatâ€™s necessarily fair to Nate Robertson, but it would sure help if whatever it took heâ€™d win those games instead of losing those tight games. And that just doesnâ€™t seem to be his fate. But I certainly donâ€™t see them trading him at all. </p>
<p><strong>MMc:	</strong>Well, Iâ€™m a fan of his, so Iâ€™m glad to hear that. </p>
<p><strong>LH:	</strong>Yeah, heâ€™s 200 innings, and thatâ€™s what counts. He gives you a chance to win every game, and will get you 200 innings. And boy, oh boy, that is a support column for anybodyâ€™s starting rotation. </p>
<p><strong>MMc:	</strong>You think about how many years the Tigers have looked for a durable, dependable, left-handed starter, and they finally got one. </p>
<p><strong>LH:	</strong>Absolutely, if only because the other guys tend to be a little more impressive in terms of their pitch speeds and repertoires that Nate Robertson is viewed as a weak link. Thereâ€™d be plenty of rotations where heâ€™d be absolute salt of the earth. But thatâ€™s what happens when you get some success, everybody gets a little spoiled.
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<p>Amen.</p>
<p>Still don&#8217;t believe Robertson is valuable? Let&#8217;s talk when <strong>Kenny Rogers</strong> retires. </p>
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		<title>For One Night, At Least, It All Clicks</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike McClary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ From my vantage point, tonight&#8217;s game at Comerica Park had the look and feel of a playoff game. Two good teams, a cool, overcast evening, and a sellout-plus crowd.More importantly for Tigers fans, the game had the look and feel of a Tigers game from June or early July &#8211; from 2006 or 2007, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> From my vantage point, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270821106" target="_blank">tonight&#8217;s game</a> at Comerica Park had the look and feel of a playoff game. Two good teams, a cool, overcast evening, and a sellout-plus crowd.More importantly for Tigers fans, the game had the look and feel of a Tigers game from June or early July &#8211; from 2006 <em>or</em> 2007, take your pick.Three things stood out for me:<strong>Stellar starting pitching. Jair Jurrjens </strong>faces Cleveland for the second time in a week and mows them down, allowing just one (long) hit. True, he was matched virtually pitch for pitch by <strong>Fausto Carmona</strong> but Jurrjens (or as <strong>Jim Price</strong> said all night <em>Jergens</em>) had a wee bit more&#8230;<strong>Timely hitting. </strong>Carmona looked like the second coming of <strong>Justin Verlander</strong> on June 12 during the first four-plus innings â€” and settled down again to dominate after <strong>Magglio Ordonez</strong> and <strong>Carlos Guillen</strong> went yard back-to-back in the fifth. Carmona made one more mistake than Jurrjens.<strong>An air-tight bullpen. Joel Zumaya </strong>did what he did so often last year. Came in for one key hitter and got him out. I didn&#8217;t expect to see him back out there in the eighth and am glad <strong>Jim Leyland</strong> held him back. Then <strong>Fernando Rodney</strong> and <strong>Todd Jones</strong> closed it out with precision. How often have we been able to say <em>that</em> lately?When these three dimensions click for the Tigers good things happen. And tonight good things happened.It takes you back to 2006&#8230;or even 2007.<!-- technorati tags start -->
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